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Collapse, A Review

Posted by Skeptigator on March 5, 2008

Cross-posted at skeptigator.com.

I have finally completed Jared Diamond‘s Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed. Once again Jared Diamond has created a compelling and epic work detailing the reasons civilizations, modern and ancient, have chosen to collapse. Chosen being the operative word. The author details compelling reasons why societies have made choices that have direct and long-term negative impacts to the health of their societies.

I could blog endlessly about the stories and lessons that could be mined from this book. To spare everyone that grief I’ll simply highlight some of the… uh… highlights.

  • Montana, what are the lessons that can be drawn from the mining industry that has been the source of environmental problems practically in our backyard? And why are the executives of Pegasus Gold bastards.
  • Easter Island, What really happened to the original inhabitants of Easter Islands. Hint: It doesn’t involve alien astronauts (I’m looking at you von Daniken).
  • Vikings in Greenland, why were the Vikings able to last for centuries in Greenland and then “suddenly” disappeared. And perhaps more importantly why have the Inuit been so much more successful, sort of.
  • The Genocide in Rwanda, what were the underlying causes of the Rwandan genocide, primarily perpetrated by the Hutu on the Tutsi. What would explain the Hutu on Hutu killings?
  • Hispaniola, Why do the Dominican’s owe much of their stability, environmental good fortune and higher economic status to a brutal dictator? Why do the poverty-stricken and environmentally devastated Haitians owe their misfortune to French democracy?
  • “Mining” Australia, what are the consequences of British values on Australian soil. And what’s up with all those damn rabbits.

In addition to the previous stories are others that include, China, Japan, Indonesia, the Mayans and the Anasazi. Surprisingly the common threads that the author seems to tease from the history books and the clarity of hindsight are issues that modern man faces today. Climate change, intervention from outside societies and, perhaps most importantly, environmental mismanagement.

He goes on to detail in the last 100 pages or so the Practical Lessons that can be learned and immediately applied to this modern world. Mr. Diamond does an awesome job of applying the practical lessons directly to the stories he’s woven throughout the book. I could list out some of the reasons he comes up with but they lose their impact if they are not delivered to the reader within their proper historical context.

It’s easy to view this book (especially after this review) in a pessimistic light. And quite frankly there are a number of reasons why you should have a pessimistic outlook when you see some of the same disastrous choices being made today (ah-Bush-choo!). But Jared Diamond remains optimistic. He sees shafts of light, not only from “bottom-up” NGOs such as the World Wildlife Fund and the Forest Stewardship Council but also from “top-down” initiatives being instituted by governments who recognize the value of their environmental (and renewable) assets, such as the Dutch polders and off the top of my head the quotas imposed on crab fishing in the Bering Sea (most famous as the location of the Discovery Channel’s Deadliest Catch series).

If you pick up this book you will read about Chevron’s Kutubu oil fields in Papua New Guinea and their absolutely amazing and minimal environmental impact. It’s even more starkly contrasted with the environmental devastation of the Indonesian government’s Salawati Island oil fields off the coast of New Guinea. What you will hopefully learn from this book is that Chevron (the big evil oil company with an impeccable environmental record) is very much aware that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It took Exxon years to recover their former standing with consumers after the Exxon Valdez oil spill. When you have a choice to purchase gas from Texaco or Exxon people still to this day will pick Texaco because Exxon “was that company that killed all those poor birds and poisoned those penguins”. In fact, Exxon was recently in the news again because of that accident from literally 2 decades ago, the PR (and 2.5 Billion dollars in punitive damages, yes billion) from that one oil spill is still being felt today.

The question is who do you boycott when a lumber company clear cuts hundreds of acres of lumber from old growth forests? Whose products do you avoid when a mine in Montana declares bankruptcy to avoid the exorbitant environmental remediation necessary to prevent the abandoned mine from poisoning an entire watershed? I don’t know either. Those are commodities that are in everyday products. You don’t boycott your cellphone because it has copper in it. Do you not buy a book shelf at Home Depot because it might be from one of these lumber companies. These are obviously rhetorical questions because we all know we don’t because we don’t have that direct connection between those companies and your choices as consumers.

I want to leave those who read my review with the biggest take-away lesson for myself. There are things you and I can do to begin to apply social and economic pressures to industries. When you purchase lumber look for wood marked with the Forest Stewardship Council’s seal, for example. Find products that have some assurance that they are being harvested, cut, fished, bred and grown in a sustainable way. This will protect our fisheries, forests and future.

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4 Responses to “Collapse, A Review”

  1. […] Collapse, A Review Posted on March 4, 2008 by Skeptigator Cross-posted at Freethought Fort Wayne. […]

  2. Mark said

    Out of curiosity, did you think about what you were saying before submitting it? Although, I do not wish to negate the importance of protecting the environment, I think it is better to protect it with intelligence instead of spreading ignorance. First of all nobody cares who they buy their oil from, Exxon or Texaco they care about the price and not who it goes to. Next, you are trying to compare a society like the US with Rwanda, Australia, and Greenland instead of Empires. We should look at the demise of the Romans, Greeks, and Nazi Germany who all became huge empires, got confident, then cocky, then conquered (essentially). Then you mention the fall of our society because of misuse of natural resorces my 3 rebutal case in points are England, China, and Japan. Japan has almost no natural resorces yet has a very strong manufacturing economy. China ignores all environmental considerations and is one of the strongest growing economies. Finally England, how much land did they control in there history all based off of a small island? In all honesty our society would be much better off (I said our society not our planet) if we as Americans gave as little environmental cosideration towards manufacturing as the Chineese. So please don’t read ONE book and expect the author, who might have the same ideals as you, to have any valuable insight.

  3. Out of curiosity, did you think about what you were saying before submitting it?

    No.. thinking is for bitches. What kind of question is that?

    First of all nobody cares who they buy their oil from, Exxon or Texaco they care about the price and not who it goes to.

    Just because you don’t doesn’t mean others don’t

    Next, you are trying to compare a society like the US with Rwanda, Australia, and Greenland instead of Empires. We should look at the demise of the Romans, Greeks, and Nazi Germany who all became huge empires, got confident, then cocky, then conquered (essentially).

    Lessons can be learned even if the societies are not analogs to our own. Although if you had read the book you’ll note the discussion of the Mayan Empire

    Then you mention the fall of our society because of misuse of natural resorces my 3 rebutal case in points are England, China, and Japan.

    Japan has almost no natural resorces yet has a very strong manufacturing economy.

    You should read the book which discusses the ver good environmental managment decisions that Japan made a long time ago that they continue to reap the benefits of. So if I get this correct your first rebuttal is actually support for my argument. Check.

    China ignores all environmental considerations and is one of the strongest growing economies.

    So the quality of country’s environment is tied to the strength of their economy? So excellent economy = excellent environment? Kind of a non-sequitur.

    Are you aware of the environmental problems that China faces? My question to you is, “Did you think about what you were saying before submitting it?”

    Finally England, how much land did they control in there history all based off of a small island?

    What does that have to do with the point of my post?

    In all honesty our society would be much better off (I said our society not our planet) if we as Americans gave as little environmental cosideration towards manufacturing as the Chineese.

    Someday I hope you realize that what benefits our planet will benefit our society and not necessarily the other way around. The arrogance of your position is truly astounding.

    So please don’t read ONE book and expect the author, who might have the same ideals as you, to have any valuable insight.

    Forgive me if, in the review of ONE book, I didn’t also detail everything I’ve ever read and every conversation I’ve ever had that has gone into shaping my worldview. I’ll try to be more thorough next time.

  4. andyscathouse said

    Great response Skeptigator. I was about to bring up the Japanese story of the book but you already did. In my case, I have read Guns, Germs, and Steel and Collapse and they are very well sourced. Jared won the Pulitzer for the former.

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